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  Trade schools can be a costly mistake
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. said:So mitch, are you admitting that you are a sheep?



No, because unlike the people to whom that paragraph and all the preceding discussion was referring to, I didn't go to trade school to acquire a worthless certification.

Oh DO please try to keep up. This is not rocket science.
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m said:When did I say people shouldn't rely on plumbers and mechanics? Link? I'm calling a plumber this week. You can't beat a good plumber when there are roots out on eth backyard clogging your sewer line.

In this thread I suggested that people irresponsibly throw money at problems, like not having job skills, they way they give money to a plumber.

Is that what's confusing you? That I used "plumber" in that sentence? Let me help you out.

I was using a simile, sort of like a metaphor, but a more direct comparison. It's a very common syntactic method.




"Well, that right there separates the sheep from the goats.

Lots of Americans are more comfortable simply handing their money over to someone else to "fix" the problem, the same way you give money to a plumber."



So mitch, are you admitting that you are a sheep?



No. Mitch is admitting that he fucks sheep.



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. said:You arent using plumber as a simile in that sentence.



English is such an important language. I will assist you in understanding it better and using it more effectively:

A simile is a figure of speech comparing two unlike things, often introduced with the words "like" or "as".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simile

Now, let's review, shall we?

Lots of Americans are more comfortable simply handing their money over to someone else to "fix" the problem, the same way you give money to a plumber.

Is that a simile? OMG, the words "like" or "as" do not appear in the sentence. But note "like" or "as" are not required for a simile, they are just the most commonly used bridge words. You could say the same thing in many ways. But since we are dealing with fourth-grade level readers here (I recall that was the grade where I was introduce to similes), let's try to simply this:

Lots of Americans are more comfortable simply handing their money over to someone else to "fix" the problem, like you give money to a plumber.

See? Says exactly the same thing.

:themoreyouknow:
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gunz
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m said:
. said:You arent using plumber as a simile in that sentence.



English is such an important language. I will assist you in understanding it better and using it more effectively:

A simile is a figure of speech comparing two unlike things, often introduced with the words "like" or "as".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simile

Now, let's review, shall we?

Lots of Americans are more comfortable simply handing their money over to someone else to "fix" the problem, the same way you give money to a plumber.

Is that a simile? OMG, the words "like" or "as" do not appear in the sentence. But note "like" or "as" are not required for a simile, they are just the most commonly used bridge words. You could say the same thing in many ways. But since we are dealing with fourth-grade level readers here (I recall that was the grade where I was introduce to similes), let's try to simply this:

Lots of Americans are more comfortable simply handing their money over to someone else to "fix" the problem, like you give money to a plumber.

See? Says exactly the same thing.

:themoreyouknow:



Can't you take your dick out of that sheep long enough to realize that nobody fucking cares. You are more full of shit than anybody else on this board. There is a reason why nobody goes to Bad Harvest. It's because nobody here likes you. N O B O D Y.

How hard is that to figure out you half witted sheep fucking wannabe retard?
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. said:Can't you take your dick out of that sheep long enough to realize that nobody fucking cares. You are more full of shit than anybody else on this board. There is a reason why nobody goes to Bad Harvest. It's because nobody here likes you. N O B O D Y.

How hard is that to figure out you half witted sheep fucking wannabe retard?
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You sure type a lot for a guy who doesn't care.

:lol:
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http://www.f2bb.com/bbs/show_topic/203256

:lol:
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. said:Can't you take your dick out of that sheep long enough to realize that nobody fucking cares. You are more full of shit than anybody else on this board. There is a reason why nobody goes to Bad Harvest. It's because nobody here likes you. N O B O D Y.

How hard is that to figure out you half witted sheep fucking wannabe retard?
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You sure type a lot for a guy who doesn't care.

:lol:



Post regged, Mich.
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. said:You can take classes at a community college for 20-30/semester hour and get the ASE certification. Same with pretty much all of the other tech schools.

"When Andrew Newburg called the Le Cordon Bleu College of Culinary Arts in Portland, Ore., to seek information, he was feeling pressure to start a new career. It was 2008, and his Florida mortgage business was a casualty of the housing bust. An associate degree in culinary arts from a school in the food–obsessed Pacific Northwest seemed like a portal to a new career.

The tuition was daunting — $41,000 for a 15–month or 21–month program — but he said the admissions recruiter portrayed it as the entrance price to a stable life."

From what I understand, the chefs that do the hiring at restaurants avoid the cooking school graduates. It's easier and cheaper to hire a someone at an entry level and train them.



Two of my uncles are chefs, and yes, you are right. I saw one last year around Xmas, and he was mentioning the way that, with the economy in the tank, that every asshole who can scramble an egg and has ever watched Bobby Flay is getting in these "schools". He laughed it off, and basically said what you did: easier to train someone fresh off the street than UNtrain some cocky "culinary" grad.

He mentioned that his sous-chef now started as a busboy at a Sheraton when he was 16, but actually had a brain and some ambition and.....worked his ass off, no matter what the job entailed. Made a exec-chef there get him out of the dishroom and in the kitchen. 15 years later and he's a sous-chef at 31....work has paid for all of his training and school.
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i went to trade schools for plumbing, eletrician, electronic tech, basisicaly hardware stuff around the house

i never found a decent job in those fields
all offered less than 14hr and would of had to have been there for 10 years to make over 20 an hour

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Ichiro Suzuki
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. said:Two of my uncles are chefs, and yes, you are right. I saw one last year around Xmas, and he was mentioning the way that, with the economy in the tank, that every asshole who can scramble an egg and has ever watched Bobby Flay is getting in these "schools". He laughed it off, and basically said what you did: easier to train someone fresh off the street than UNtrain some cocky "culinary" grad.

He mentioned that his sous-chef now started as a busboy at a Sheraton when he was 16, but actually had a brain and some ambition and.....worked his ass off, no matter what the job entailed. Made a exec-chef there get him out of the dishroom and in the kitchen. 15 years later and he's a sous-chef at 31....work has paid for all of his training and school.



:lol: Indeed. I laugh every time that I meet someone who says they're going to "culinary school." They'll come out with $30,000 in student loans and a job offer of $9/hour to work the prep table.

I'M GONNA BE TEH NEXT EMERIL
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Ichiro Suzuki said: :lol: Indeed. I laugh every time that I meet someone who says they're going to "culinary school." They'll come out with $30,000 in student loans and a job offer of $9/hour to work the prep table.

I'M GONNA BE TEH NEXT EMERIL
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Umm, wrong, very stupid one. CIA and FCI. Le Cordon Bleu.

NONE of which you could get into or pay for.
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m said:English is such an important language. I will assist you in understanding it better and using it more effectively:

A simile is a figure of speech comparing two unlike things, often introduced with the words "like" or "as".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simile

Now, let's review, shall we?

Lots of Americans are more comfortable simply handing their money over to someone else to "fix" the problem, the same way you give money to a plumber.

That what is called an example, not a simile.

Sorry mitch, but you lose.

Is that a simile? OMG, the words "like" or "as" do not appear in the sentence. But note "like" or "as" are not required for a simile, they are just the most commonly used bridge words. You could say the same thing in many ways. But since we are dealing with fourth-grade level readers here (I recall that was the grade where I was introduce to similes), let's try to simply this:

Lots of Americans are more comfortable simply handing their money over to someone else to "fix" the problem, like you give money to a plumber.

See? Says exactly the same thing.

:themoreyouknow:

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m said:English is such an important language. I will assist you in understanding it better and using it more effectively:

A simile is a figure of speech comparing two unlike things, often introduced with the words "like" or "as".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simile

Now, let's review, shall we?

Lots of Americans are more comfortable simply handing their money over to someone else to "fix" the problem, the same way you give money to a plumber.

Is that a simile? OMG, the words "like" or "as" do not appear in the sentence. But note "like" or "as" are not required for a simile, they are just the most commonly used bridge words. You could say the same thing in many ways. But since we are dealing with fourth-grade level readers here (I recall that was the grade where I was introduce to similes), let's try to simply this:

Lots of Americans are more comfortable simply handing their money over to someone else to "fix" the problem, like you give money to a plumber.

See? Says exactly the same thing.

:themoreyouknow:



That what is called an example, not a simile.

Sorry mitch, but you lose.

Ichiro Suzuki
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. said:Umm, wrong, very stupid one. CIA and FCI. Le Cordon Bleu.

NONE of which you could get into or pay for.



Uh oh...it appears that I've upset a cooking school - err, culinary institute graduate. :lol:

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Well, Suntory and I went to law school and we're happy.
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Ichiro Suzuki said:Uh oh...it appears that I've upset a cooking school - err, culinary institute graduate. :lol:

A lawsuit against Western Culinary Institute has been approved by a judge for class action status. The lawsuit was filed in Multnomah County Circuit Court in Portland against Western and its Hoffman Estates, IL based parent, Career Education Corp., alleging violation of Oregon's unlawful trade practices act and unjust enrichment. The class action was filed on behalf of nearly 3,000 current and former students alleging the institute misled students with sales pitches and did not properly prepare them for the workforce.

The class action claims Western Culinary Institute failed to warn students that upon their graduation, their tuition would exceed their ability to pay off their federal loans. The suit claims the school misrepresented its job placement rate and failed to disclose that students would not obtain material benefit from the course of study.

Jennifer Adams, the named plaintiff in the lawsuit, alleges that the majority of graduates from the school wind up working in low-wage, prep and line-cook jobs, earning less than $22,500 a year. Tuition at the Institute, according to The Oregonian (December 7, 2009) is $18,000 to $41,000 for either 30-week or 60-week culinary and hospitality programs. The class action lawsuit covers students who have attended the Western Culinary Institute since March, 2006.
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Western Culinary Institute is owned by Career Education Corp. (CEC), an operator of 75 private schools around the country that prepare students to work in the culinary, medical and design fields, among others. The majority of students fund their tuition with the help of student loans and grants, according to the latest quarterly report of the institution.

Many of those students cannot repay those loans while struggling in low-paying jobs.

Culinary students: "Do I really need this tuition, given the results?"

The problem—and the basis of the lawsuit—is that prospective students of the campus are not told prior to enrollment that their diploma would likely earn them only low-wage preparatory and line-cook jobs. The original plaintiff in the 2008 lawsuit, Jennifer Adams, alleges that 70 percent of Western's grads in 2007-2008 earn less than $22,500 per year, even though tuition can run as high as $41,000 for a full 60-week culinary and hospitality program.

Adams maintains that a salary of $22,500 per year could be secured without Western training and thus without the grants and loans needed to pay for their education. The lawsuit alleges that the school engages in fraud and unfair business practices.
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. said:They guy who towed my car back to my house had gone through cooking school. I felt bad for him.

Why? You're the jerkoff with the beatup old hoopty.

HA!
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m said:California's community college system is the last institution here that works worth a damn, and they are cheap.

GREAT vocational training. And did I mention cheap?



Why would anyone attend an expensive for-profit school like U of Phoenix when they could go to CC?



YOU GO TO COMMUNITY COLLEGE, LOOZER
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i have a full scholarship to ITT Tech that never expires! i have the certificate stashed away somewhere... it was an award for a national computer programming competition i won in high school. ( :trev:)

someone mentioned community colleges... my roommate for 3 years at mit had done 2 years at orange coast college in costa mesa before transferring into mit. then he did a BS in Math, and a MS and PhD in EE, specializing in chaotic systems modeling of voltage collapse in large scale power grids. guy was a serious math genius. now a professor somewhere.

poor guy was trapped at orange coast college for 2 years not because of money, but because his typical korean mom was pissed he didn't get into cal tech. they thought he was a failure for going to mit.
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so now people are going in to debt to learn a trade? :lol:

back in my day, you just showed up with a fucking hammer an a tool belt and asked for a job. if you didn't fuck up the first week, they might keep you around long enough to learn a thing or two.
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Honestly, if you were near 50 and laid off, would you waste money on education? Seems pointless to me.

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